The United States has several huge crises going on right now. The opioid, open border, financial, and energy hypocrisy. Energy hypocrisy is rampant. And effects the global economic and environmental impact on humanity.
In this episode, I talk with Craig Rucker, President of CFACT (Committee For A Constructive Tomorrow). I saw his interview on Fox News titled “Offshore wind is leaving a ‘heavy environmental footprint’ on the East Coast: CFACTS’s Craig Rucker HERE: Craig had just been out trying to help protest the wind farm’s impact on the marine life and the whale deaths that have been catastrophic on the east coast.
On the podcast, I learned he is good friends with Dr. Patrick Moore, Co-Founder of Greenpeace, and had scheduled Patrick to be on his boat protesting the whale deaths. That was extremely cool, as I had just finished my second podcast with Patrick, and we covered the whale and marine life issues. The staff is releasing that podcast episode on Monday.
We have to ask the question: Oil saved the whales the first time, Patrick Moore and Greenpeace saved them the second time, who will step up to save them the third time?
Thank you, Craig, for stopping by the Energy News Beat Podcast. I had a lot of fun and was thrilled to hear what you are doing to save the whales and the United States citizens from the regulatory and energy hypocrisy we are suffering through. – Stu.
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Stuart Turley [00:00:03] Hello, everybody. Welcome. We’re recording this on a Friday afternoon. My name’s Stu Turley, President, CEO of the Sandstone Group. Not only is it casual, but I’ve got a very important guest here. I got to see him on Fox News, and that’s when I reached out. I knew I had to visit with him. His name is Craig Rucker. He’s with CFACT. And I mean, the article and the news interview on Fox was really good. It’s about my really hot button. Why are all the dead whales around? Hey, thank you, Craig. And we want to hear about sea fat and how everything’s going.
Craig Rucker [00:00:43] Well, it’s a pleasure to be on to.
Stuart Turley [00:00:47] I’ll tell you, with the amount of facts and stats that you have in that article, what we’re seeing is that people are just hearing energy hypocrisy. And that is let’s roll out all these green offshore wind farms. But when there is some of the things ending up back and forth with the number of dead whales showing up, I’ve been teasing with one of my co co-hosts, Whales Oil, Save the Whales the first time. And then Greenpeace saved them. The second time was Patrick. And now it looks like we’re going to have to save them again with oil, saving them the third time. But we’re going to need people like you elevating this thing up. Well.
Craig Rucker [00:01:36] Thank you. And actually, that is why we’ve been trying to draw attention to it. The reason for being on Fox News, of course, was we organized a protest of sort to go out offshore of Newport, Rhode Island, kind of between Montauk, Long Island, Newport, Rhode Island and Martha’s Vineyard, where they’re putting in Orsted is the name of the company, something like a dozen or more offshore wind turbines. These things are huge that they’re putting, in their words, at 750 feet tall. By comparison, if you were to look at that in a macro level, you would say that the Washington Monument is about 550 feet. So this is towers well above those. And in fact, they include the turbines that go around. It’s almost twice the height of the Washington Monument. Anyway, they make a lot of noise and vibrations. Vibrations. And it’s that that we particularly are concerned about right now. The Biden administration has plans to put in about 30,000 megawatts of offshore wind power between now and the year 2030. Their ostensible reason for this is climate anxiety. In my opinion. They believe the world is going to end from climate change. Of course, they famously said that back in 2018, We have 12 years less than in the end. I guess Biden believed it. So they want to put in 30,000 megawatts by 2030. That’s right down to 1500 of these monstrosities dotting our eastern coast all the way from North Carolina right up to New England. And they’re putting them right in the lanes of where numerous migratory whale species go up and down the East Coast, about 15 to 30 miles offshore.
Stuart Turley [00:03:29] We’re also talking porpoise and and marine mammals.
Craig Rucker [00:03:34] Yeah, many mammals that and it’s a threat to any of them because that our sonar guide and a lot of them are right again they’re putting them right there they’re less of an eyesore because they’re far enough offshore. Most people can’t see them, but but they’re in an ecologically very sensitive area. And that’s what we’re trying to draw attention to with our protest. We are happy. The New York Post picked it up. Fox News picked it up, One America News picked it up. And most importantly, your show picked it up.
Stuart Turley [00:04:05] Because I’ve been talking about the the renewable energy hypocrisy killing the Eagles. I think you see the Eagles back behind me for my podcast listeners. My son painted that out of Alaska. I love eagles. I got some near my other lake house. Love eagles, love whales, love being a conservationist, but you can also be a conservationist and still want low cost power. So when we sit back, Greg, and take a look at a couple about a month ago or so, I really tried to understand why the whales were being killed. And that tower that you described is humongous. But if it’s floating, it’s also got a lot of room underneath it, right? It’s got and then it has feelers of guy wires out there holding that thing down. And so it’s the sonar in the vibrations from a technical standpoint is magnified horrifically. Is that a fair statement?
Craig Rucker [00:05:15] I think it’s at least something that should be looked at. I believe most of the floating windmills are being proposed off the West coast of the United States. And there is reason to be concerned about the cables. Of course, there’s also reason to be concerned that even with the stationary ones, the vibrations can be significant. There’s been a couple of European studies which have looked at the impacts of offshore wind. I believe they’re off the coast of England. I think there’s another one there. Right. And they found that the marine environment in general. Is harmed negatively. In fact, Norway, which I’m right, is going to propose offshore wind in a certain area of the North Sea, just canceled their space. Ideal footprint. Yes. That they found from offshore wind. So your concerns are correct with the floating ones, even the stationary ones, because of their size, create humming of some sort by decibel levels that impacted.
Stuart Turley [00:06:14] So, Craig, are these monstrosities that we’re talking about, those are solid in the ground. I mean, that’s got to be a heck of an installation and expensive.
Craig Rucker [00:06:24] It is. In a matter of fact, it really one of the things they promise with offshore wind is that there would be a lot of American jobs, but there really is no offshore wind company in America, per se that could put these in. So we’ve been contracting with European four firms, the one that was at the Southfork when Reserve is a orsted is the company. It’s basically a Danish company. Okay. These are monstrosity of ships they put in. And actually it’s not just once the turbines are up, but even the construction of them that are a problem. They are doing pile driving. These are laying the foundation for sticking them in the ground. And they were all like hammers that are just massive. And they create also a lot of clanging and noise under the ocean that can carry on for miles. And since they’ve been doing both the pile driving sonar mapping of the floor, which also creates sound, there’s been about a 400% increase in whale deaths in many places. Now, the numbers aren’t huge. I think it’s about 30 this year have beach themselves that we know of, but we don’t know how many have died out in the ocean either. So, you know, we’re just going by the ones that have come up, mostly humpback whales.
Stuart Turley [00:07:39] You know, you sit back and you kind of sit back and go, uh, the amount of whales is been hundreds, you know, when you sit back and take a look. But when you sit back and take a look what years or how however long that was, you also have Craig, you brought up a great point. We don’t know how many are dying out there, but boy, the ones that are all kind of marred or marked and it just seems very hypocritical when we sit back and say green energy and whales and marine life are critical for all life on the planet. Did I miss that part of biology?
Craig Rucker [00:08:25] Now you’re you’re making an excellent point. And by the way, I don’t know our organization, which is poised to sue Dominion Energy, which is one of the ones putting it off the coast of Virginia, Rob and others that are suing off New Jersey and other states that are also involved in this Biden plan to put these in are not saying definitively. We know for sure that these wind farms are. We just know that since they started doing them, there’s a suspicious high level of whale deaths. And it’s plausible that these sounds, because we know they exist at high decibel levels and we’re talking many of them, over 100, 2060 decibel levels underneath the ocean can be caused by this, that in the past the Greens have had freaked out about if the Navy ever did that, they would be upset about it because it would impact the whales. They’re making those noises. There’s been an increase in whale deaths. How about we look at it and study it? They are right. They are willing to do that. They they only look at a whale if its eardrum was shattered. And then if they say if it’s eardrum was shattered and then we can say it was caused by this. But nobody suspects that the eardrum is being shattered. What we’re seeing is that they’re getting disoriented and running into boats and running up on shore. I think that their criteria for harm is just too limited at this precise moment.
Stuart Turley [00:09:47] Well, Craig, let me throw this ugly squirrel at you here and in the oil and gas base out in the Permian out in West Texas, you know, it’s a huge oil field. And they stopped a bunch of drilling for lizards right now. They said it was a a rare lizard and that we’re ever all kind of scratching here going, there’s millions of these lizards everywhere. There is not an endangered lizard. I mean, it is all over the place. But the administration and the regulations are shutting down oil, but yet we can kill all these whales. I’m not buying this hypocrisy here.
Craig Rucker [00:10:33] I’m not either. But it’s interesting. The Greens would never and neither would the Liberal politicians out of New Jersey and New York and these other places allow an offshore oil firm to do exactly what. Sharpening your butter studies, and if even one whale died, everything would shut down. We know that. Oh, yeah. But they’re willing to make exceptions because of this, because it advances this climate narrative that we’re all going to die. There’s lots of money involved in this, and we see the same thing on the other coast in California. With respect to Eagles, what you just mentioned, just last month, Senate Bill one for seven passed California, which basically exempts the taking of gold and bald eagles from solar and wind projects out there. There’s one firm, apparently, according to the news, chopped up some 150 Eagles last year and they don’t want to have them be liable for any damages or having to shut down their operations.
Stuart Turley [00:11:36] I read that I think it was the same one where they said your quota is 100 eagles or something like that. They even gave them a quota.
Craig Rucker [00:11:45] You, by the way, these birds, those birds are protected. I mean, especially you got the North American Bird Treaty, the Bald Eagle Protection Act. If you even. There was one time and this goes back, I’d have to find the story. But in North Dakota, where they thought they had a few a threat to eagles, they didn’t, but they found a few dead. Phoebe’s, which is a common bird and I think a couple Canadian geese. And they shut that down for three months because it might pose a threat to eagles out there. If they did. They do not allow any taking up even one, unless it’s for green energy. If it’s for green energy and environmental energy, then yeah, watch a few eagles, watch a few whales.
Stuart Turley [00:12:33] But you know, when I got me on this one is that they’re a hunter. I saw I think it was earlier this year was charged and sentenced to a couple years for killing an eagle when it was coming after his dog. I’m like, you know, wait a minute. A couple years was one of them that’s hassling his dog. But yet you’re you know, you can kill 150 of them and it’s okay.
Craig Rucker [00:13:03] I know it sounds crazy. It’s hard and it’s difficult to put yourself in their mindset. But when I do talk to them and I’ve had occasion, we actually had a couple of environmentalist that were from the political left out on our protest offshore, and they only confirmed what I was thinking. But there was an article written in California not long ago by an environmentalist who justified it this way. And I think it speaks for a lot of the people in their mindset. If you really believe the world is going to burn up from climate change by the year 2030, yet that’s what’s driving your thinking then. If a few eagles have to die to stop that from happening and a few whales have to die because the end is happening in 2030, That’s how they justify that. The planetary crisis of climate change is so severe. And since we’re all going to perish and that whales and species, therefore if we have to ax a few and throw a few out of the lifeboat right now and and they have to die to stop that awful thing from happening, therefore, we have to Now our retort to that is we don’t agree with them because they are these deadlines. In the past numerous times, which we’ve reported in our website climate people where they thought the world would end in the early 2000s that made 1220 teens, Greta Thunberg say in 2018, she said in five years, the world will end right down these this sort of date setting. They’ve done for decades. Paul Everyone back in the sixties thought the world would end by the mid 1980s and there would be just massive famine. And the battle to feed humanity is over is how he starts his famous book, The Population Ball. So nothing that they have said there is any semblance that we’re all going to perish in 2030. My guess is the world keeps going on by 2030, they’ll just move the deadline another ten years.
Stuart Turley [00:15:07] Well, it seems like, Craig, that you’re tied in on the regulatory side, as well as trying to make sure that you’re out there doing it. Tell me a little bit about your boats when you went out and did this protest. You had several boats. You were out there. This is very much like Patrick Moore when he was out there, you know, in front of a tanker or getting harpoons or shot at him. So tell me about that.
Craig Rucker [00:15:34] Well, we took off. This goes back late July, and it was, in fact, inspired by Patrick Moore from Greenpeace. And he was invited and was going to go with us up until he hurt his leg in a boating accident right beforehand. So he kind of bailed on us at the last minute, but we decided to continue on with it. But yes, it was inspired by that. Back in the 1970s and early eighties, Patrick Moore used to take these boats out and confront those who were harpooning whales. Right. Activities ultimately led to the banning of that sort of moratorium on hunting whales like that had led to their resuscitation. Very impactful. Patrick today, of course, opposes these offshore wind farms like we do, and we were going to take it back out and say, you know, 50 years after he last did it, Patrick Moore hits the seas again to champion this. And we were going to have him do that. So that that was the inspiration for it. And, you know, hopefully it’ll lead to further protests by we invited fishermen with us to. Yes, great book.
Stuart Turley [00:16:42] I have Patrick Moore coming back on this and I just want to give him a shout out. I absolutely had an absolute blast with Patrick Moore. I mean, he is a cool dude. He gave me a whole new perspective to Greenpeace in and I’m I believe with him and you on how all this is going to go around. But you know, for the podcast listeners, I held up his book Fake Invisible Catastrophes in the Threat of Doom by Patrick Moore. So he’s coming back on to talk about this one. This will be our second one with him.
Craig Rucker [00:17:20] Well, he’s been an inspiration to me for years. We’ve made two movies, a once called Climate Hustle and Climate Hustle two.
Stuart Turley [00:17:26] No way.
Craig Rucker [00:17:28] Yes, they actually were in theaters. The first one actually was the number one movie in America for one night. But now it only beat out My Big Fat Greek Wedding two and Batman versus Superman. That was in 2016. Oh, no. Patrick Moore was in that movie and he was in our second movie, which would starred Kevin Sorbo. Oh, yeah. He’s a he was in there. And unfortunately, that came out right during the COVID crisis when all the movie theaters were shut down. So we had to put it out online. But both movies are still available If you come to our website c fact dot org, you can get them. And oh Patrick’s a big feature of that in that in our both our movies and to.
Stuart Turley [00:18:08] Do fantastic I’ll have that link in the show notes so that we can get everybody over there and take a look at them. I know I’m going to so this is really cool. I just the energy hypocrisy and the ESG hypocrisy, it drives me nuts. And it is my firm belief, Craig, that we need to use all forms of power to deliver the lowest kilowatt per hour to all people of the planet with the least amount of impact. Act on the environment and sustainable by being able to be supported by the markets. Okay. If you hit that, you’re going to have the least amount of impact. If you’re sustainable by being able to be on the markets, it means you’re not going to print money. And Craig, I’ve been digging around on the on the windmills and I’ve found the meantime between fiscally responsible and when you can actually use them is not 30 years. It’s not 20 years. It’s not ten years, eight years. And I’m I’ve been pleading for folks to give me numbers and say, wait a minute, these are now 30 year machines. Now I’m finding they’re eight year machines. And it’s because of after the first eight years, the tax revenues and everything else. And they’re on the declining scale and the maintenance is going up. So you have this going on as far as all my numbers are going, and then you have the cost to the consumer. So why is the cost for Germany and California and Scotland, any of these places the highest in the world?
Craig Rucker [00:19:55] Where else is the tax revenue? Is it’s clear it is. I mean, on the national average, Americans pay about $0.12 a kilowatt hour for electricity. Right. You go over to the countries that rely heavily on wind. You’re looking at Germany or Denmark, you’re looking at $0.30 or higher. As they continue to escalate their wind and solar usage. I really see that in both cases that’ll hit, you know, 40, $0.50 or more. I can even have some people in Germany who actually say the true cost is $0.50 a kilowatt hour that they’re paying over there. But irrespective when we just go by the by the official numbers, they’re paying about $0.35 a kilowatt hour, which is crazy.
Stuart Turley [00:20:39] It is. And I’m over here in Texas. I love Texas. I love Governor Abbott. And in fact, I was just on a doing a podcast production with Governor Perry and I, the energy of using nuclear natural gas, renewable storage. I’m okay with that. Let’s have a balanced energy. This is not a oh, by the way, you know, get rid of all renewable. Let’s use them all, but let’s use them responsibly and where they fit. You know what I mean? I mean, it’s like, let’s take care of the animals and the energy, but humans first. It seems like the green side of the argument is that they could care less about humans. Am I missing?
Craig Rucker [00:21:25] No, you’re not, actually, because in both cases, it’s renewable energy by being so expensive hurts the poor the most because. Exactly. And you get what they term energy poverty, where people have to make a choice between heating and eating. I look at the figures in in England, they actually have measures of energy. Poverty have skyrocketed since they’ve abandoned coal and started going toward a green future. And you see the same in Germany and other places here in America. It’s going to be terrible. Now, the left, the green left has come up with solutions to that. What they’re trying to do now, realizing that it does impact the poor the most, they’re starting to give subsidies to help the poor pay their bills. But this sort of transfer payment, just to give them money to be able to afford expensive energy long term is not a solution. We need cheap, affordable, abundant and safe energy. Right. Insofar as wind and solar go. I don’t see that they meet many of the criteria on a utility grid level. Now, that said, I myself in a home, I live in a rural area of Virginia. I use solar power on my property. I have a sister in that. I pump water into my house, I use solar I a fence gate that I open and close. It would be too much for me to draw line there. Solar has solar as practical application, certainly right here on the water and wind can do in a limited way. But when you’re doing utility style windmills that take up vast stretches of habitat, one are killing off eagles that are killing off whales that drive up the cost of electricity. Honestly, I just don’t think it’s ready for prime time. And I think we’d be better, especially if you’re a person concerned about global warming and you stay upright about it, which isn’t me. But if you were one, nuclear power should be your choice about whether you should be wanting to go.
Stuart Turley [00:23:24] Craig, why is the hypocrisy there? Because it seems like to me, you know, Meredith Angwin out there was shorting the grid. Her book is phenomenal. Here is a cheerleader for her. But, you know, you sit back and kind of go, you would think that being a nuclear advocate would help supply the baseline for renewables because Texas did it. I mean, they got when they got solar, they got nuclear. All right. And we’ve got a fair price. So I’m okay with that. But all oil’s paying for the whole state’s budget.
Craig Rucker [00:24:03] So it is. And I’m a big fan of her book. Shortening the Grid is one of a classic. Anybody on your podcast ought to read, and though I may disagree with her on the climate change issue, because I do it on her solutions to how to handle the grid and the problems with the RTA, ESOS and the FERC and all the ways that there nobody is taking charge of the grid. No, They’re interested in reaching political mandates, which is how much renewable can we have? What are we right. It’s all about the money and showing showcasing kind of an ESG. WOLK thing that we’re we’re going green even if the wind up going out on people, that doesn’t seem to matter to them as long as they can sell themselves and get a good ESG score.
Stuart Turley [00:24:50] Well, you know, the sorry, you know, Meredith speaking to Meredith, her husband, George, just sent me some facts and figures on his findings of the wind. And I can’t publish them because I got to talk to him first about them. But his numbers are good and it’s tough to get when the numbers. So while we’re giving a shout out to Meredith, I want to give a shout out to her husband, George. He’s sure Cat, too.
Craig Rucker [00:25:19] Not surprised. So, yeah, we have a we have a project we call the Net zero Reality Coalition. And as there’s this try to make us net zero, which is eliminate all hydrocarbon energy which a lot of the green and those in the green movement the Biden administration and even some international leaders you know all coming around kind of the U.N. Paris Accords to try to eliminate fossil fuel use. As we just want to point out, some of the things that are don’t make sense. And one of them is the battery storage. We released a couple of reports recently just showing that the amazing amount, it’s just only impractical. In fact, actually try and get the battery storage to backup the grid would literally be as much as the U.S. GDP each year, something like 23 trillion, which you would have to do again every five years because the batteries don’t last. It’s not practical. Nobody has that type of money. And then, of course, you borrow a whole lot of other problems because you have the disposal of those batteries. Where are you going to get the materials? The world currently doesn’t produce enough and ever, if you add it all together to be able to get the types of rare earths and critical minerals needed to make those batteries. And even Elon Musk, when he was talking and he he has one of the leading batteries that could be used on the grid level admitted that batteries can’t do it. So I just think this whole effort to get rid of fossil fuels is foolish. Fossil fuels are an important part of our mix. We need to continue using them. And I don’t see the environmental apocalypse that the Greens are talking about being the reason that we can’t get to them in the foreseeable future.
Stuart Turley [00:27:06] But you know what’s going to be fun is we we’re going to release this, Craig, and then the U.N. Google puts out on here the the Google says the U.N. says climate change is this. And I’m like, any time I can get that flagged by the U.N., I’m a happy camper. It means I’m actually we’re talking evidently something that means something. So I’ve actually been banned by the U.N. And the only time I ever met Bill Gates, I made him so mad he could barely even speak. So I got that going for me. You know.
Craig Rucker [00:27:39] I’ve got to throw some U.N. climate meetings dating back to the nineties. I’ve been thrown out of a couple of them. Nice. I made my way back in. So you and I share their their dislike. Maybe this broadcast will be something that they ban at some point, too.
Stuart Turley [00:27:56] So I hope so. You know, see, that’s why we have to have our own channel. And if you don’t have your own channel. Podcasts are a way to get from. I was surprised to see you on the news, to be honest with you. And then when you got picked up on the hosts.
Craig Rucker [00:28:14] Too, by the way. But you know, it happens from time to time. You rise up every year and there. But actually, I think one of the reasons we can get on the news more is I think it’s a surprise to many and even the mainstream media that the Greens and those on the political left are not supporting the whales in the Eagles. This is their soft underbelly that shows their hypocrisy, right? I think so long as we stick on the we’re on the side of the angels on this issue, we’re pointing out some things that are really problems. I think that we’ll see more success with that message. And even people like me can get on the news so well.
Stuart Turley [00:28:56] And you know, who would have guessed in 77 when I was out there, you know, way back when that I’d be a podcast host, figure that out. You know, I’m having a blast getting to talk to people from around the world.
Craig Rucker [00:29:09] And you’re out there doing well. I’m glad you’re doing what you’re doing. We need we need you out there. And I think the Internet is our salvation on this stuff, so long as it is a free Internet and we don’t start seeing great taking off or having opinions that don’t conform to those kind of Facebook and Twitter in those places.
Stuart Turley [00:29:32] I can tell you right now, Craig, that my news site is getting shut down by Google. I know that for a fact. They are trying to cut out everything on it. And we’re still getting 20 to 60000 people a day on the site. And it’s still I can I know how they’re doing. I know what they’re doing. And it bugs me to no end. But you know what? You got to have your own channels and you got to have your podcasts and you got to have your way to get it out there so that we can spread the word of humanity. We’re talking about humanity. We’re not talking left right. We’re talking what’s best for people and people are for you. Matt If I’m That makes sense.
Craig Rucker [00:30:19] It does. No, I think you’re correct. And that’s kind of what we do it, too. I know I’ve mentioned liberal environmentalists and I said and they to have been the ones that have been the biggest problem that’s on our boat ride. Yeah. So it was kind of odd, but we invited two people from the political left to join us and okay, from local Save the Whales efforts. We had a blast and oh, they were, they were, they were they were angry at the mainstream environmental groups. We’re talking the Environmental Defense Fund, Natural Resources Defense Council, Friends of the Earth, those types of groups. Right. They’re not saving the whales. And I said, go figure. Here we are a group that’s known for free markets. And, you know, the fact I ended up with a bunch of people from the far left, I said, this issue is bringing us together from both sides because we both are united in the idea that the green energy is bad for whales, it’s bad for the environment, it’s bad for consumers. And well, you know, I throw that out there that actually there’s kind of new alliances that are forming.
Stuart Turley [00:31:27] In that fund. Yeah, it’s like Greenpeace. I did not know that Patrick was so cool. I mean, I did not know that with Greenpeace until I interviewed him. But where do you see coming around the corner on Are you going to go to COP 28?
Craig Rucker [00:31:44] Yes, will be, absolutely. We’ve been to every single one of them will be in Dubai. Okay. As well as we have the last year. And we usually like to do a few fun things at these things. We okay, we’ve done some crazy stuff. We jumped out of airplanes to call attention to Climate Gate two. We’ve boarded ships and dropped banners off. We put we’ve been. Kicked out at one in Morocco for putting up for shredding the Paris Accord in the middle of the press center. So we like to do some protest and have fun. We also do serious press conference where we bring in scientists and talk and have panel discussions and things of that sort. At the United Nations credit, though, I know they don’t agree with anything we do. They have right now given us a forum to air our views and haven’t harassed us.
Stuart Turley [00:32:33] Well, until they see this podcast and they see the project.
Craig Rucker [00:32:38] Yes.
Stuart Turley [00:32:39] But I’ve got a favor to ask of you. Sure. And that if you want to go with us. My man already got to throw me out, though. You know, if I if I made Bill Gates that mad, they’re going to throw me out. But what I would offer for you is I would love to have. You know, as many as you want podcast interviews so that we can get it out on your channel or our channel and we can cut them up quite quickly and roll them right on out. So we would love to do that for you.
Craig Rucker [00:33:10] Oh, we’d be happy to do it. We actually have a podcast section of our website. We actually sponsor one. It’s called the District of Conservation with Gabrielle Hoffman. Oh, great. You have sent her to Alaska to talk about the Pebble Bed mine and nice stuff dealing with animal species up there in forest management mid-August. Okay. But we are happy to have you on. And if you want to give want us to post your podcast, that would be something I think we’d be very amenable to. So why don’t we discuss that?
Stuart Turley [00:33:42] Absolutely. Because what happens at Camp 28 is very you know, back in COP26, I was kind of going through the language on there in Craig. I thought it was pretty interesting that in COP26 they kind of snuck in some language the saying that natural gas and nuclear were kind of renewable COP 27 rolls around and then they start kind of burying that in there. And then the several of the Biden administration and the EU all started filtering up into their legislation that natural gas and nuclear were available for renewable funding because they realized that they quietly could sneak this language in, starting in COP26, that, oh, natural gas wasn’t as bad and they’re just now starting able. You still have people’s heads explode when you say you want to put in a pipeline, but you look at some of the language all along and then travel and watching that language and it kind of pops up from COP26. So if you’re at COP 28 and we can help get your word out and really get what’s going on because the mainstream media is only going to pick up what certain people want to say.
Craig Rucker [00:35:05] Now, you’re right. I generally have found that their willingness to accept both natural gas and nuclear comes if they’re having issues, trying to move their agenda forward in the temporary include those sources of energy, they can keep the program marching. But once the is fully up and operational, they’ll call these transition sources ones that need to be eliminated down the road. This goes back actually to the first Kyoto treaty. They did that in 97 when Bill Clinton was in office. They passed the Kyoto Protocol and they did not allow for nuclear and they did not allow for natural gas or anything like that. But then George W got elected and he said, I’m not going to sign the Kyoto Protocol. And all of a sudden that was, Whoa, wait a minute, we’ll accept nuclear will, accept natural gas, blah, blah, blah allowed it back in. I think we saw a similar thing happen when Trump came in. I include these sources, but when he withdrew, I think some olive branches went out and said, We’ll do that. Having gone, as I said, almost, I think about 30 of these conferences dating nice, I would honestly say in my opinion the this is all politics that the heart and soul of that which is driving this UN agenda does not really seriously want to do nuclear or does not embrace natural gas. They have in mind what they call sustainable development, which is to limit economic growth and growth. It’s to limit the population of the planet. It’s to through they in fact even have a plan. And Biden announced it as a 30 by 30 plan where they want to lock up a third of the United States and make it essentially a park where you can’t do mining, you can’t do drilling. Right. And they want to do that in the world, too. There’s actually a plan to lock up a third of the world that way. So I think they view man kind as. Pollution. They need to limit our numbers, our footprint on the planet, and that includes energy. One of the best ways you can do it is to limit our use of energy. If you can’t run anything and in their mind, the COVID lockdowns was a wonderful thing because economic progress stopped. And Mother Nature, according to the articles you read, was started to heal themselves. And it’s a it’s a flawed it’s a flawed it’s almost a theology with them. And so I don’t I don’t trust their motivations. Yes, they may buy into the nuclear and gas for now, but I wouldn’t expect it long term.
Stuart Turley [00:37:41] I. I love the way you thought through that. That is absolutely a hoot. Well, Craig, I am so excited to have gotten to meet you. Thank you for all your success and keeping an eye out there. How do people get a hold of cpec and how do people get a hold of you?
Craig Rucker [00:37:58] Sure. The best way to do so is to reach me through CFACT that CFACT CFACT.org they can email or go online at that address and you can sign up for updates. You’ll see my information there. And that’s where you can also follow us on Facebook or Twitter.
Stuart Turley [00:38:20] And you know that C fact, not the way I talk in Texas or Oklahoma. It’s C fact.
Craig Rucker [00:38:28] Correct? Without the CFAT, too. Exactly.
Stuart Turley [00:38:33] Well, thank you so much for stopping by, Craig. And I can’t wait to visit with you again, and I’m looking forward to having you back with some updates.
Craig Rucker [00:38:42] Well, I look forward to coming back. You have a great day.
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